Piano Guidance
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From contributor R: Yellow poplar is only about 20% harder than basswood. Red maple is about twice as hard and yellow birch is about three times as hard.
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Read More »Being a cabinet maker the first thing I noticed it was basswood. As we talked they shared that they had been lied to and that "birch was hard". I explained that the lie was that it was actually basswood. Now that is getting ripped off! In the northern U.S., poplar is the name that refers to aspen poplar, which is a soft hardwood similar in many ways to basswood. It is likely that the basswood sales person was making this comparison and so was correct. It is likely that the original questioner here and the responses were all thinking about yellow-poplar (tulip poplar) which is indeed much heavier, harder, etc. in which case basswood is not a good substitute. As mentioned, yellow birch and soft maple would be good.Well not meaning to beat a dead horse, but I have worked for several local shops and some are beat-um cheat-um. Some are good upstanding folks. I have seen many stained and painted jobs in basswood. I have always thought the shop owner/sales rep. just played on the ignorance of the customer. I would have no problem so long as the customer really knew what they are getting. I am glad to hear others are using good solid wood for paint grade. Another note - I live in an area where we have seen huge growth and most homes are getting prefab. This is not a bad thing for me, I have replaced several kitchens only a few years old, even some not that old custom. Yellow poplar is only about 20% harder than basswood. Red maple is about twice as hard and yellow birch is about three times as hard.
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Learn More »For face frames MOE and MOR differences between basswood and poplar are moot. All other workable and mechanical properties of basswood are equal to or superior to poplar. It finishes better than poplar, it takes a stain better and is more stable than any of the afore mentioned. Use whatever you want, but saying it is inferior without considering all the factors or ever having used it, is nonsense and perpetuating what amounts to nothing more than an old wives' tale, which does no service to the industry. When I started back in the mid 90's we used to use tons of eastern white pine for paint grade work - obviously soft, but a pleasure to work. Tulip poplar essentially replaced it for custom paint grade trim and millwork. I've never used basswood (except for carving class in grade school), yellow poplar is not used in the northeast as far as I know. Many people try tulip poplar for cabinets, but once they use soft maple there is no going back, unless someone else is painting it. Basswood has a hardness of 410 pounds, while yellow poplar (tulip poplar) is 540 pounds. Basswood is about 75% of the hardness of y-p (or y-p is 30% harder than basswood).Indeed, I came up with about 28% off the top of my head but typed 20. The point was that if they intend to beat the crap out of the cabinets or park a Mack truck on them there is no real difference between the two. I have never understood the mentality of trying to make wood look like plastic. But then again I'm not afraid to build cabinets out of solid wood either. I have done it thousands of times.
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